I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

The degradationn of frog buttess is because environmentally unaware and 
careless people have accessed the site.  The boom in climbing in the last 
5 years has created a surge in people who do not use minimal impact techniques 
and have limited experience going to the site.

I do not agree with bolting and cannot understand peoples need to obtain a grade 
irrespective of how they do it.

This is a sad day for me as I was not aware of what was happening.  I do not go 
to Frog often because of the idiots yelling and swearing at the tops of their voices 
and I don't get the bush experience I got 10 years ago.  These days I see people 
climb with mobile phones swinging from their harnesses.

I am happy for people to climb at frog but what I have seen of late is rediculous.  
It is now a second KP.

A very sad

MM

[and after a questioning email sent in response...]

That is right.  I do not agree with belay stations.

Don't change the environment to suit yourselves.  Climb in a manner that does not 
alter the environment.

If people cannot do that then they should not go out there.  The degradation is not 
going to stop by putting in belay stations.  It will mean more people who do not 
know how to set up adequate belay stations will have access to the cliff because it 
is made simple.  The track at the base of the cliff will degrage more and the steps 
will get worse.

Next you will tell me that you need a concrete path along the base to stop soil erosion.

Management of Frog Buttress is an issue of people management.  The ringbarking occurs 
when people rush the rope through and cause friction.  Easy to fix if you manage people 
and their recklessness and lack of consideration.

The whole point of climbing in the outdoors is so that it is an outdoor experience and 
that it is you testing yourself against what is on offer.  It is not about creating 
environments to suit ourselves. Belay stations detract from the experience.

Frog buttress is beautiful and the trees deserve protection.  By putting in belay stations 
you are only looking at a short term solution and not the big picture.  It will only 
save the trees until the soil is washed away because of people trampling plants etc etc etc.

MM